Conference Realignment

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Was Maryland or UCLA football considered "all that"? Meanwhile, the Big 10 reluctantly took in Oregon, who's football is at a zenith because they wanted the U of Washington and U of Washington wanted a travel partner. It just boggles the mind that so many people believe that the presidents of these prestigious universities are so short sighted as to make multi-decade maneuvers and affiliation ties based whether or not a school is currently fielding a winning football team. Both Johns Hopkins and University of Chicago and members of the Big10, and neither even play division I football! Big 10 membership is about much more than football!
Glad to boggle your mind. I find it instructive that the B1G has invited seven (7) programs since the supposed/implied/inferred invitation GA Tech received c. 2010. Those programs are Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, UW, and UO. No mention of GA Tech since then, only UNC and UVA. It may boggle your mind, but it seems true to me, especially if the 1990 interest is a real thing.
 

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Glad to boggle your mind. I find it instructive that the B1G has invited seven (7) programs since the supposed/implied/inferred invitation GA Tech received c. 2010. Those programs are Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, UW, and UO. No mention of GA Tech since then, only UNC and UVA. It may boggle your mind, but it seems true to me, especially if the 1990 interest is a real thing.

Does anyone ever hear about GT until something happens? There was a blip about GT joining the B1G in 2012/2013 (because everyone outside GT thought it was going to happen), and then Peterson and some very influential donors shut it down to remain in the ACC. No one ever heard any more about it until it was reported in articles almost a decade later.

That's how GT operates. We do not operate like FSU/Clemson/UNC and leak that stuff out. IF it happens, GT fans will know when it's announced. I'll argue GT's profile and attractiveness to the B1G is even better than it was in 2012/2013 regardless of how GT has performed on the field. Expansion isn't based on what's currently happening, it's based on the potential of a team to add revenue to a conference's media contract and ability to raise the profile of the conference overall, as well as "culture fit".
 

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Does anyone ever hear about GT until something happens? There was a blip about GT joining the B1G in 2012/2013 (because everyone outside GT thought it was going to happen), and then Peterson and some very influential donors shut it down to remain in the ACC. No one ever heard any more about it until it was reported in articles almost a decade later.

That's how GT operates. We do not operate like FSU/Clemson/UNC and leak that stuff out. IF it happens, GT fans will know when it's announced. I'll argue GT's profile and attractiveness to the B1G is even better than it was in 2012/2013 regardless of how GT has performed on the field. Expansion isn't based on what's currently happening, it's based on the potential of a team to add revenue to a conference's media contract and ability to raise the profile of the conference overall, as well as "culture fit".
In theory, I agree. However, you have reality pinging against you, IMPO. The B1G has added 7 teams in between and not a single mention of GT that we know of. Now they may be saying, "Hey GT, we see your potential and will revisit you in 2030 and toss you a rope, so hold tight." I somehow doubt that. I think our stock took a BIG hit under TFG, not to mention Gregory/Pastner (recall also that Hewitt was coming off recruiting years that included Thad Young and Derrick Favors at the time). Our baseball program had been to a CWS in 2006.

A lot changed for the worse in GT athletics between 2010 and 2022. We took on the Hewitt buyout, starved out a future HoF head football coach, endured two placeholder MBB coaches treading water, and worst of all, hired a clown to lead our football program and left him hanging there until he also got the AD fired. That stuff doesn't happen in a void, and I'd bet the powers that be in the B1G were staring wide-eyed at what the GT program had become. Look at those pics of our stadium on game day from last year. Just sad.

But you guys may be right - it's just one opinion.
 
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Was Maryland or UCLA football considered "all that"? Meanwhile, the Big 10 reluctantly took in Oregon, who's football is at a zenith because they wanted the U of Washington and U of Washington wanted a travel partner. It just boggles the mind that so many people believe that the presidents of these prestigious universities are so short sighted as to make multi-decade maneuvers and affiliation ties based whether or not a school is currently fielding a winning football team. Both Johns Hopkins and University of Chicago are members of the Big10, and neither even play division I football! A Big 10 membership invite is about much more than a school currently fielding a good football team!
Chicago was actually a powerhouse in football in the Big Ten and actually had the first Heisman Trophy winner.
 

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Confirming your comments, below is a SB Nation article basically discussing the earlier pronouncement by UNC about their effort to find a new home. It also likely gives a more realistic schedule when any realignment may actually happen.

See my excerpts below and the SB article linked at bottom. I picked a few paragraphs of interest, but the full article is a good read.

There were a handful of stories published last week about the Tar Heels and the one that got the most attention was a report from Inside Carolina, the incredibly plugged-in and well-sourced 247sports site that covers the Tar Heels, which said that, according to sources, “the SEC is where the Tar Heels are aiming.”
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And this report was aggregated from sea-to-shining-sea and served as fodder for a flurry of podcasts and sports radio shows. On one of those shows, there was even speculation about a “handshake” deal between UNC and the SEC, and Virginia and the Big Ten. And that just continued to fuel the aggregation machine as talking season continues in college football.

But, with all due respect to the folks at Inside Carolina, this is not really news.


Of course North Carolina is positioning itself to be picked up by the SEC, one of the two richest conferences currently competing in college athletics. People with real power at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have said as much on the record. One of them is Dave Boliek, a former member of the UNC Board of Trustees who was elected as State Auditor last year. Before he took office and when he was still serving on the BoT, Boliek was saying things like this:

“We can’t sit back and cross our fingers and pray for pennies from heaven and thinking everything is going to ‘work out.’ We have to actively pursue what’s in the best interests of Carolina athletics… I am advocating for (UNC to join a higher revenue league). That’s what we need to do. We need to do everything we can to get there. Or the alternative is the ACC is going to have to reconstruct itself. I think all options are on the table.”

We also know that while Clemson and Florida State were suing the ACC to wriggle out of what we once thought was an ironclad grant of rights, North Carolina was quietly exploring an exit plan. According to a report from the Athletic in February, the Tar Heels spent more than $600,000 in legal fees on “Carolina Blue Matter” — a code name for UNC’s behind-closed-doors exploration of conference realignment. Work on that project began not long after Texas and Oklahoma announced they were moving to the SEC.



“We have a landing spot if things blow up,” former trustee Chuck Duckett wrote to chairman John Preyer in an email obtained by the Athletic. “Let FSU and Clemson pay the attorneys and see what happens. We all learn via their expense.”

So, Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina aren’t leaving the ACC anytime relatively soon. But in 2030? Sure, we should be on conference realignment watch.


But that’s five years away. And consider how much the landscape of college sports has changed in the last five years. In 2020, the transfer portal was relatively new, we weren’t really talking about NIL or the House Settlement, and conference realignment hadn’t fully taken off. The Pac-12 was still alive and seemingly thriving, the Red River rivalry was still in the Big 12, and the College Football Playoff was only four teams. Women’s college basketball was on the cusp of really taking off but the NCAA still wasn’t sharing the March Madness branding and ESPN still wasn’t airing every game of the women’s tournament on its linear channels. Five years ago, we didn’t have games streaming on Peacock or Paramount+ or HBO Max. Since 2020, watching habits have changed. Is the TV money going to be the same in 2030?


Interesting since their former football player, AD ,and ACC Commisioner, Swofford, is directly responsible for the tv contract that is handcuffing the league revenue.
 

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IIRC, the U of Chicago withdrew from the Big Ten back in 1940s. Johns Hopkins is a member for men's and women's lacrosse.
U of Chicago withdrew "athletically" from the Big Ten in 1940, however it remained a member of the Big Ten, until 2016 when it withdrew totally, of which I was unaware, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Academic_Alliance#cite_note-btaa_chicago-6 ). So at least form 1940-2016 the Big Ten membership was not dependent on athletics at all, much less football success. And I doubt that the school presidents care all that much about a school's current football record for a membership invite, after all within a conference membership win and losing percentages are .500.
 
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Glad to boggle your mind. I find it instructive that the B1G has invited seven (7) programs since the supposed/implied/inferred invitation GA Tech received c. 2010. Those programs are Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, UW, and UO. No mention of GA Tech since then, only UNC and UVA. It may boggle your mind, but it seems true to me, especially if the 1990 interest is a real thing.
The interest in UNC and UVA is even further proof that winning football is not much of factor, if at all! That you don't realize the absurdity of putting forth the Big 10's interest in UNC and UVA as evidence that for GT having a winning football program will be the deciding factor for membership invite from the Big 10 moves me to desire no further exchange of ideas with you. Please, feel free to ignore any future posts from me as I will most certainly ignore you.
 
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The interest in UNC and UVA is even further proof that winning football is not much of factor, if at all! That you don't realize the absurdity of putting forth the Big 10's interest in UNC and UVA as evidence that for GT having a winning football program will be the deciding factor for membership invite from the Big 10 moves me to desire no further exchange of ideas with you. Please, feel free to ignore any future posts from me as will most certainly ignore you.
Do we actually know that the B1G has interest in either of those schools? It is certainly an assumption that many podcasters and X posters take as truth, but I have never seen anything from the B1G or UNC that confirms their interest in the Tar Heels. Or UVA.
 

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Glad to boggle your mind. I find it instructive that the B1G has invited seven (7) programs since the supposed/implied/inferred invitation GA Tech received c. 2010. Those programs are Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, UW, and UO. No mention of GA Tech since then, only UNC and UVA. It may boggle your mind, but it seems true to me, especially if the 1990 interest is a real thing.
I’m not sure what you’re expecting? It’s just two rounds, really.

They indicated interest and picked up Nebraska and then also Maryland/Rutgers in a round GT was linked to.

The only round after that came during the collapse of a conference and all four new members came from that conference.
 

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Glad to boggle your mind. I find it instructive that the B1G has invited seven (7) programs since the supposed/implied/inferred invitation GA Tech received c. 2010. Those programs are Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, UW, and UO. No mention of GA Tech since then, only UNC and UVA. It may boggle your mind, but it seems true to me, especially if the 1990 interest is a real thing.
There's been much speculation about GT to B1G. The B1G hasn't talked about UNC or UVa either. People speculating all over the place.
 

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This is a great find! There are so many things that point to GT being a much bigger player than most of the college football fan world realizes… A lot of things can change in 3 to 4 decades, but hopefully this is not one of them!

Agree.

I still believe that football history and Tradition will play a part in the evaluation of a particular school when it comes to how much a program is desired by a conference. Obviously,
what you have done lately matters. We do need to get those wins up to a least 8 or 9 per year consistently. I do not believe a university with the history shown below will be let out of any major realignment. I don't see UVA or UNC on any of the lists below.


Georgia Tech has four Football National Championships

Georgia Tech has Four Hall of fame Football Coaches.

GEORGIA TECH ALL-TIME BOWL RANKINGS & RECORDS

MOST BOWL APPEARANCES

Alabama .......................................76
Georgia .........................................62
Texas .............................................59
Oklahoma .....................................57
Tennessee .....................................56
LSU ................................................55
Ohio State .....................................55
USC ................................................55
Nebraska .......................................53
Penn State .....................................53
Michigan ........................................52
Clemson..........................................50
Florida ............................................49
Florida State ..................................49
Auburn .......................................... 47
GEORGIA TECH .............................46
Arkansas .......................................44
Miami (Fla.)...................................43
Texas A&M ...................................43
Washington....................................42

MOST BOWL VICTORIES
Alabama ........................................45
Georgia .........................................38
USC ................................................35
Oklahoma ......................................31
Penn State .....................................31
Tennessee ......................................31
Texas ..............................................31
LSU ................................................30
Florida State .................................29
Clemson.........................................27
GEORGIA TECH ............................26
Nebraska ......................................26
Ohio State ....................................26
Florida ...........................................25
Ole Miss ........................................25

HIGHEST BOWL WINNING PCT. MINIMUM 15 BOWL VICTORIES
Oklahoma State ....... .647 .......22-12
Georgia ...................... .637 .......38-21-3
USC ............................ .636 .......35-20
Utah ........................... .630 .......17-10
Ole Miss .................... .625 .......25-15
Florida State ............. .612 .......29-18-2
Alabama .................... .612 .......45-28-3
Penn State.................. .604 .......31-20-2
Syracuse .................... .589 .......16-11-1
Mississippi State ...... .577 ........15-11
GEORGIA TECH ........ .565 .......26-20
LSU ............................ .555 ........30-24-1
Tennessee ................ .554 .........31-25
Oklahoma ................ .553 .........31-25-1
Wisconsin ................ .543 .........19-16

CONSECUTIVE BOWL APPEARANCES
Florida State ..............36 (1982-2017)
Nebraska ....................35 (1969-2003)
Michigan ....................35 (1975-2007)
Virginia Tech .............27 (1993-2019)
Georgia ......................27 (1997-2023)
Alabama ....................25 (1959-1983)
Oklahoma .................25 (1999-2023)
Florida .......................22 (1991-2012)
Wisconsin ..................22 (2002-2023)
LSU .............................20 (2000-2019)
Clemson.....................19 (2005-2023)
GEORGIA TECH ........18 (1997-2014)
Boise St. ....................18 (2002-2019)
BYU.............................17 (1978-1994)
Tennessee ..................16 (1989-2004)

CONSECUTIVE BOWL VICTORIES
Florida State .................11 (1985-1995)
USC .................................9 (1923-1945)
Utah ...............................9 (1999-2009)
Boston College ..............8 (2000-2007)
GEORGIA TECH .............8 (1947-1956)
UCLA ...............................8 (1983-1991)
Minnesota ......................7 (2015-2023)
Syracuse .........................7 (1989-1996)
 

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Agree.

I still believe that football history and Tradition will play a part in the evaluation of a particular school when it comes to how much a program is desired by a conference. Obviously,
what you have done lately matters. We do need to get those wins up to a least 8 or 9 per year consistently. I do not believe a university with the history shown below will be let out of any major realignment. I don't see UVA or UNC on any of the lists below.


Georgia Tech has four Football National Championships

Georgia Tech has Four Hall of fame Football Coaches.

GEORGIA TECH ALL-TIME BOWL RANKINGS & RECORDS

MOST BOWL APPEARANCES

Alabama .......................................76
Georgia .........................................62
Texas .............................................59
Oklahoma .....................................57
Tennessee .....................................56
LSU ................................................55
Ohio State .....................................55
USC ................................................55
Nebraska .......................................53
Penn State .....................................53
Michigan ........................................52
Clemson..........................................50
Florida ............................................49
Florida State ..................................49
Auburn .......................................... 47
GEORGIA TECH .............................46
Arkansas .......................................44
Miami (Fla.)...................................43
Texas A&M ...................................43
Washington....................................42

MOST BOWL VICTORIES
Alabama ........................................45
Georgia .........................................38
USC ................................................35
Oklahoma ......................................31
Penn State .....................................31
Tennessee ......................................31
Texas ..............................................31
LSU ................................................30
Florida State .................................29
Clemson.........................................27
GEORGIA TECH ............................26
Nebraska ......................................26
Ohio State ....................................26
Florida ...........................................25
Ole Miss ........................................25

HIGHEST BOWL WINNING PCT. MINIMUM 15 BOWL VICTORIES
Oklahoma State ....... .647 .......22-12
Georgia ...................... .637 .......38-21-3
USC ............................ .636 .......35-20
Utah ........................... .630 .......17-10
Ole Miss .................... .625 .......25-15
Florida State ............. .612 .......29-18-2
Alabama .................... .612 .......45-28-3
Penn State.................. .604 .......31-20-2
Syracuse .................... .589 .......16-11-1
Mississippi State ...... .577 ........15-11
GEORGIA TECH ........ .565 .......26-20
LSU ............................ .555 ........30-24-1
Tennessee ................ .554 .........31-25
Oklahoma ................ .553 .........31-25-1
Wisconsin ................ .543 .........19-16

CONSECUTIVE BOWL APPEARANCES
Florida State ..............36 (1982-2017)
Nebraska ....................35 (1969-2003)
Michigan ....................35 (1975-2007)
Virginia Tech .............27 (1993-2019)
Georgia ......................27 (1997-2023)
Alabama ....................25 (1959-1983)
Oklahoma .................25 (1999-2023)
Florida .......................22 (1991-2012)
Wisconsin ..................22 (2002-2023)
LSU .............................20 (2000-2019)
Clemson.....................19 (2005-2023)
GEORGIA TECH ........18 (1997-2014)
Boise St. ....................18 (2002-2019)
BYU.............................17 (1978-1994)
Tennessee ..................16 (1989-2004)

CONSECUTIVE BOWL VICTORIES
Florida State .................11 (1985-1995)
USC .................................9 (1923-1945)
Utah ...............................9 (1999-2009)
Boston College ..............8 (2000-2007)
GEORGIA TECH .............8 (1947-1956)
UCLA ...............................8 (1983-1991)
Minnesota ......................7 (2015-2023)
Syracuse .........................7 (1989-1996)
By this list, only ONE team who is not a current member of the BIG or SEC is above GT on all metrics. Interesting…
I agree, it bodes well.
 

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Agree.

I still believe that football history and Tradition will play a part in the evaluation of a particular school when it comes to how much a program is desired by a conference. Obviously,
what you have done lately matters. We do need to get those wins up to a least 8 or 9 per year consistently. I do not believe a university with the history shown below will be let out of any major realignment. I don't see UVA or UNC on any of the lists below.


Georgia Tech has four Football National Championships

Georgia Tech has Four Hall of fame Football Coaches.

GEORGIA TECH ALL-TIME BOWL RANKINGS & RECORDS

MOST BOWL APPEARANCES

Alabama .......................................76
Georgia .........................................62
Texas .............................................59
Oklahoma .....................................57
Tennessee .....................................56
LSU ................................................55
Ohio State .....................................55
USC ................................................55
Nebraska .......................................53
Penn State .....................................53
Michigan ........................................52
Clemson..........................................50
Florida ............................................49
Florida State ..................................49
Auburn .......................................... 47
GEORGIA TECH .............................46
Arkansas .......................................44
Miami (Fla.)...................................43
Texas A&M ...................................43
Washington....................................42

MOST BOWL VICTORIES
Alabama ........................................45
Georgia .........................................38
USC ................................................35
Oklahoma ......................................31
Penn State .....................................31
Tennessee ......................................31
Texas ..............................................31
LSU ................................................30
Florida State .................................29
Clemson.........................................27
GEORGIA TECH ............................26
Nebraska ......................................26
Ohio State ....................................26
Florida ...........................................25
Ole Miss ........................................25

HIGHEST BOWL WINNING PCT. MINIMUM 15 BOWL VICTORIES
Oklahoma State ....... .647 .......22-12
Georgia ...................... .637 .......38-21-3
USC ............................ .636 .......35-20
Utah ........................... .630 .......17-10
Ole Miss .................... .625 .......25-15
Florida State ............. .612 .......29-18-2
Alabama .................... .612 .......45-28-3
Penn State.................. .604 .......31-20-2
Syracuse .................... .589 .......16-11-1
Mississippi State ...... .577 ........15-11
GEORGIA TECH ........ .565 .......26-20
LSU ............................ .555 ........30-24-1
Tennessee ................ .554 .........31-25
Oklahoma ................ .553 .........31-25-1
Wisconsin ................ .543 .........19-16

CONSECUTIVE BOWL APPEARANCES
Florida State ..............36 (1982-2017)
Nebraska ....................35 (1969-2003)
Michigan ....................35 (1975-2007)
Virginia Tech .............27 (1993-2019)
Georgia ......................27 (1997-2023)
Alabama ....................25 (1959-1983)
Oklahoma .................25 (1999-2023)
Florida .......................22 (1991-2012)
Wisconsin ..................22 (2002-2023)
LSU .............................20 (2000-2019)
Clemson.....................19 (2005-2023)
GEORGIA TECH ........18 (1997-2014)
Boise St. ....................18 (2002-2019)
BYU.............................17 (1978-1994)
Tennessee ..................16 (1989-2004)

CONSECUTIVE BOWL VICTORIES
Florida State .................11 (1985-1995)
USC .................................9 (1923-1945)
Utah ...............................9 (1999-2009)
Boston College ..............8 (2000-2007)
GEORGIA TECH .............8 (1947-1956)
UCLA ...............................8 (1983-1991)
Minnesota ......................7 (2015-2023)
Syracuse .........................7 (1989-1996)
I remember when Tech had the most bowl victories. It's been a steep steep fall. 😕
 

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Respectfully any conference alignment will be done based on $$. Wins before 2000 won’t directly play much into it
Yes.

Expanding Tv markets are very important

It's why fsu and clemson aren't automatic to the Secheat conference cause South Carolina and Florida already have those tv markets. Besides the gates and game chickens don't want to allow those two in as well.

To me, that's why Unc is more attractive to Sec. Tv market in the state of NC.

The AAU status and Atlanta Tv market makes Tech attractive to the Big 10 imo.

Big 10 team in the heart of sec country would be a prize.

Yes, I agree that the clown era of Collins certainly hurt but Cabrera is a great president, and I believe will put us in a good position to be a part of the new era of college sports.

Note how we've brought in back-to-back AD's from successful sec schools (Alabama and Tn). Cabrera wants not only a top flight academic school but also a top flight athletic program.

Ramsey and Key are outstanding coaches imo and will lead Tech baseball and football to high level success.
Don't know what to think about basketball but I'm keeping an open mind.
 
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