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stinger78

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I get crucified by older Tech fans for suggesting this, but it's the truth. Pulling out of the SEC effectively hamstrung this program. It was a massive misstep. At the time nobody could have foreseen the direction college football would go and how technology would change the landscape, but the net outcome is that we screwed ourselves over.
Yes, but like all major decisions, you have to provide context. Also, he tried to get back in 15 years later, and had support of Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Vandy, and Kentucky, but was voted down due to the Mississippis, Auburn, and especially UGAg. Does he get any credit for that?
 

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I would genuinely hope and pray for GT to wind up in one of thertwo Mega Conferences. Only wiht mega conference $$ will we be able to compete for the calibe rfo players we need. I honestly would prefer the SEC for simple regional purposes in all sports, but we need the big money so I would take the Big Ten in a heartbeat.
 

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But, to be fair, that’s 20/20 hindsight. The game was being rigged against us in the SEC, and what Bryant was doing at Alabama was unfair to college athletes and an affront to Dodd’s philosophy of college football as a method to nurture kids into young men while instilling in them a sense of fair play. The SEC gave not the slightest hint that they would rein in some of Alabama’s excesses after Tech departed.
This is the context that younger fans cannot, or do not, understand. Was it ultimately a bad decision? Yes. Even Dodd himself recognized this. He and Bear and Ray Graves tried to rectify the situation but it was blocked by 4 schools.
 

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Yes, but like all major decisions, you have to provide context. Also, he tried to get back in 15 years later, and had support of Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Vandy, and Kentucky, but was voted down due to the Mississippis, Auburn, and especially UGAg. Does he get any credit for that?
No as he pulled out and then as AD watched all GT sports go down. Good man. Not a good AD. College sports changed dramatically in the 1960, especially in the Soouth. GT was left at the Train Station watching college sports leave us behind.
 

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But, to be fair, that’s 20/20 hindsight. The game was being rigged against us in the SEC, and what Bryant was doing at Alabama was unfair to college athletes and an affront to Dodd’s philosophy of college football as a method to nurture kids into young men while instilling in them a sense of fair play. The SEC gave not the slightest hint that they would rein in some of Alabama’s excesses after Tech departed.
and to be honest, the SEC has continued with that philosophy until today. As they say in the SEC , “if you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’"

But it has won them plenty of National Championships….
 

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Yes, but like all major decisions, you have to provide context. Also, he tried to get back in 15 years later, and had support of Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Vandy, and Kentucky, but was voted down due to the Mississippis, Auburn, and especially UGAg. Does he get any credit for that?
SECheat has been SECheat for a long time. Their desire to keep Tech out of the SEC ought to tell any thinking person all they need to know about what this was really all about. But some people love winning more than fairness, anathema to Dodd, and will even crap on their own team’s legacy if they can “join the winners.” No matter how stupid and corrupt that club often is.
 

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SECheat has been SECheat for a long time. Their desire to keep Tech out of the SEC ought to tell any thinking person all they need to know about what this was really all about. But some people love winning more than fairness, anathema to Dodd, and will even crap on their own team’s legacy if they can “join the winners.” No matter how stupid and corrupt that club often is.
Sad but true. I don’t value winning at college football to want that. My self-esteem is planted in other things. Football is entertainment and a source of accomplishment. Ask any of those senior players if they feel like they’ve accomplished much the past 3 seasons and I’ll bet to a man they’ll say much. Not that all of them didn’t want to beat UGA badly.
 

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No as he pulled out and then as AD watched all GT sports go down. Good man. Not a good AD. College sports changed dramatically in the 1960, especially in the Soouth. GT was left at the Train Station watching college sports leave us behind.
We had presidents then that could care less about sports as well. They were more interested in building the reputation of our academic standing. Personally i am prouder of my degrees from GT than if i had a degree from Alabama and ran around shouting Roll Tide.
 

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SECheat has been SECheat for a long time. Their desire to keep Tech out of the SEC ought to tell any thinking person all they need to know about what this was really all about. But some people love winning more than fairness, anathema to Dodd, and will even crap on their own team’s legacy if they can “join the winners.” No matter how stupid and corrupt that club often is.
I would agree, but say it’s also winning more than integrity and character. I have had more than one dwag fan state that, when confronted with the number of arrests of u(sic)ga players, ”Who cares about that as long as we’re winning.”
 

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We had presidents then that could care less about sports as well. They were more interested in building the reputation of our academic standing. Personally i am prouder of my degrees from GT than if i had a degree from Alabama and ran around shouting Roll Tide.
Or a “degree” from georgia and ran around barking like a basset hound in heat.
 

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On a distantly related note, the “powers that be” would like to lock Miami out of the playoffs even though they are clearly a top five in the nation team. This is so as many SEC teams as possible get in the playoffs. But there still isn’t enough room for all the SEC teams. Who get’s left out and why?

The cynic would say that any SEC team losing to an SEC team has a “good” loss, and, since now that has already been happening, we are now set up for the winner of Tennessee vs Vanderbilt to get in, Alabama getting in even if they lose to Auburn, and Texas getting in even though they are 8 points weaker than Tech against a common opponent.

My hunch is that, like the last couple of years, all of the SEC’s maneuvering and politicking will not turn out the way they would like. Somebody is going to get in a bad matchup and get blown out and somebody is going to parlay home field advantage into a bad bracket. We may even see the most boring game since LSU played Alabama a second time for a championship, with 2 SEC teams facing each other yet again. Yawn.
 

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We had presidents then that could care less about sports as well. They were more interested in building the reputation of our academic standing. Personally i am prouder of my degrees from GT than if i had a degree from Alabama and ran around shouting Roll Tide.
All true. And a big reason why GT athletics are on a lower tier then Alabama's and much of the SEC. It's who GT is.
 

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We had presidents then that could care less about sports as well. They were more interested in building the reputation of our academic standing. Personally i am prouder of my degrees from GT than if i had a degree from Alabama and ran around shouting Roll Tide.
I am going to assume Root is talking about integration. Maybe not, but that was the biggest change in the 1960’s in CFB. I am reminded that GT recruited the first black QB at a major college in the south, and her president stood up to the segregationist GA governor by playing Pitt in the 1956 Sugar Bowl, thus participating in the first integrated football game in the Deep South. That was not the issue. Calculus was an issue, but that change had happened in the late 1950’s well prior to our departure. Dodd was, however, trying to help the recruiting deficits he was experiencing and the SEC’s tendency to abuse recruiting. It backfired, and the timing vis. the coming influx of media dollars was bad, but how could you know?
 

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SECheat has been SECheat for a long time. Their desire to keep Tech out of the SEC ought to tell any thinking person all they need to know about what this was really all about. But some people love winning more than fairness, anathema to Dodd, and will even crap on their own team’s legacy if they can “join the winners.” No matter how stupid and corrupt that club often is.
In reality, the SEC has very little advantage to adding Georgia Tech. UGA rules this state and the Atlanta marketplace. I think our best hope still remains the Big Ten because GT at least provides them access to Georgia which is the 8th largest state and Metro Atlanta which is the 9th largest marketplace. I think this all depends if the Big Ten wants to add multiple teams in the Southeast which is certainly not a given. GT is clearly aligned in academics. But to make it work athletically, we need to continue our upward momentum in football and turn around our basketball program.
 

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On a distantly related note, the “powers that be” would like to lock Miami out of the playoffs even though they are clearly a top five in the nation team. This is so as many SEC teams as possible get in the playoffs. But there still isn’t enough room for all the SEC teams. Who get’s left out and why?

The cynic would say that any SEC team losing to an SEC team has a “good” loss, and, since now that has already been happening, we are now set up for the winner of Tennessee vs Vanderbilt to get in, Alabama getting in even if they lose to Auburn, and Texas getting in even though they are 8 points weaker than Tech against a common opponent.

My hunch is that, like the last couple of years, all of the SEC’s maneuvering and politicking will not turn out the way they would like. Somebody is going to get in a bad matchup and get blown out and somebody is going to parlay home field advantage into a bad bracket. We may even see the most boring game since LSU played Alabama a second time for a championship, with 2 SEC teams facing each other yet again. Yawn.
We were so bad that they refused to put us in the top 10. Now we’re a quality win for UGAg. The hypocrisy is so blatant it’s actually funny how serious they take themselves.
 

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SECheat has been SECheat for a long time. Their desire to keep Tech out of the SEC ought to tell any thinking person all they need to know about what this was really all about. But some people love winning more than fairness, anathema to Dodd, and will even crap on their own team’s legacy if they can “join the winners.” No matter how stupid and corrupt that club often is.
Been cheating for so long that when they are made to play by the rules they believe they’re getting cheated.
 

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I would genuinely hope and pray for GT to wind up in one of thertwo Mega Conferences. Only wiht mega conference $$ will we be able to compete for the calibe rfo players we need. I honestly would prefer the SEC for simple regional purposes in all sports, but we need the big money so I would take the Big Ten in a heartbeat.
I agree with the Sec due to regional purposes, i would hate to be in the B10 and have the team travel to Oregon, Washington and Cali for away games. But at the end of the day i would rather be in the B10 then been left out of the power 2.
 

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In reality, the SEC has very little advantage to adding Georgia Tech. UGA rules this state and the Atlanta marketplace. I think our best hope still remains the Big Ten because GT at least provides them access to Georgia which is the 8th largest state and Metro Atlanta which is the 9th largest marketplace. I think this all depends if the Big Ten wants to add multiple teams in the Southeast which is certainly not a given. GT is clearly aligned in academics. But to make it work athletically, we need to continue our upward momentum in football and turn around our basketball program.
Need to get aligned with Clemson, fsu, and Miami and be the southern outpost for b10. I’d be happy playing those 3 every year along with 1-2 of psu, osu, Michigan, usc, Oregon. Gotta suffer through the Minnesotas and Illinois and Rutgers of the conference but it’s not much different than bc, cuse, smu, cal.
 
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