King & Philo. No, I mean both - simultaneously.

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Haynes King has basically turned into Tim Tebow.
Look for the Tebow dump pass on the goal line soon.
Unironically, I thought about that in the red zone, it should be wide open with that heavy set
My game play recall isn’t great but did King throw deep yesterday? I can’t remember going deep downfield in a while, even before yesterday. Does anybody have access to NCAA advanced analytics? I’d like to see “air yards” for King. I know we’ve had some long pass plays, including YAC, but I don’t remember a really deep ball. I’m just wondering if King’s throwing arm is healthy.

Going into the third, I was hoping to see Philo for a series or two, just to switch things up a bit. I love King but I felt like the whole team was in a funk and needed to switch things up.

  • Air yards: This is the distance the football travels in the air from the line of scrimmage to the point where the ball is caught or hits the ground. This stat is a pure measurement of the throw itself and is not part of the standard box score.
i think they were playing a lot of off coverage on the corners, hence all the comeback routes.
We really killed them on the crossers when they pressured and went man to man.

I think the over route by Canion was 30 or so yards downfield, opposite hash. Long throw
 

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We did this for atleast one play against Miami last year, so it’s possible.

King made a lot of big throws in the second half. I was just as hard on him in the first half as anyone(I discussed his “noodle arm” in the chat), but I really think our issues with a consistent vertical passing game has less to do with him specifically and is more of a combination of OL play, WR play, play calls and, yes, King himself. The OL was playing better in the second half. Rivers was making plays…it’s not a coincidence King subsequently looked better.

Also, the main point of the QB run is to have the extra a blocker. Is Philo going to block?

This might be an interesting trickery package for once in a blue moon, but nothing more serious than that.
They covered the los like a blanket and had 2 deep.
Finally after 3 to 20 with 5 minutes gone we JUST SAID KING THROW MIDRANGE DIMES TO RIVERS - 13 YDS, 17 YDS, 14 YDS TD.
THEN KING DID NEXT DRIVE.OLD SCHOOL.
FINAL MIDRANGE TO CANIIN AND RUTHERFORD - TIED.
IN ONE QUARTER PLUS we scored 17

Throw the daxx ball down field to wr that can get open.
Then run the counter when THEY ARE NOT CROWDING THE BOX.
Thats the plan for excellence
 

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My game play recall isn’t great but did King throw deep yesterday? I can’t remember going deep downfield in a while, even before yesterday. Does anybody have access to NCAA advanced analytics? I’d like to see “air yards” for King. I know we’ve had some long pass plays, including YAC, but I don’t remember a really deep ball. I’m just wondering if King’s throwing arm is healthy.

Going into the third, I was hoping to see Philo for a series or two, just to switch things up a bit. I love King but I felt like the whole team was in a funk and needed to switch things up.

  • Air yards: This is the distance the football travels in the air from the line of scrimmage to the point where the ball is caught or hits the ground. This stat is a pure measurement of the throw itself and is not part of the standard box score.
There was a long throw to Canion that took forever to develop...King threw a dime for 37.
 

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Speaking of triple-option, lets get a short yardage package CPJ style with King under center and a fullback, and two slotbacks. King can keep and let the help fullback push him thru, hand off to fullback, or run to the edge and keep or pitch.
*through clenched teeth*
You shut your goddamned
*solicitously*
Why no, Mr. Moneybags, we weren't talking about the Tripple Option a'tall, were we UgaBlows? Nah, now, we all know that the big talk radio man told you that the bad T word is death for krootin, surely we do know that.

*through clenched teeth again*
Do you think those people learned their lesson? Have you seen what's been going on at Boeing?

*loudly*
Nah, now this here is the threefold opportunities. See? Completely different from the bad jargon. But this triplex decision could give us an opportunity to even the playing field, you see. Perfectly fine for the strategic sensibilities of talented 10th graders.
 

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For people saying that Faulkner doesn’t trust Haynes to throw it down the field I suggest you watch the defensive game plan that has been implemented against Faulkner. Faulkner has shown tendencies and teams have keyed on these tendencies. Please refer to the first half and watch the safeties in two TE sets and then watch them when we went 4 wide. Fast forward to the second half and we changed looks thus gave King more time to throw the ball. You saw more pistol and underneath crossers to beat the two high safety look. You can’t place failures on King or the offensive players in the first half. Wake did a hell of a film study and they picked up several things Faulkner tips his hand at. Good on him for making the key second half adjustments.
I agree with this except to say watch the OL play in first and second half and there is some blame for first half woes and credit for second half successes. First half not picking up the stunts. Second half did pick up the stunts. It made a difference in time for King to throw.
 

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I agree with this except to say watch the OL play in first and second half and there is some blame for first half woes and credit for second half successes. First half not picking up the stunts. Second half did pick up the stunts. It made a difference in time for King to throw.
We quit trying to get Fussile to pull and GAVE UP WASTING A DOWN TRYING TO GET RB TO RUN THE BAWL.

The ol failed to block in the run game - check the anemic stats
 

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Fun fact: Our only second-half drive that didn't feature a 1st down RB rush ended with a punt after three straight incompletions.
"a" first down RB rush is doing a lot of work there.

Reverse spin: our only second half drive that didn't feature a 1st down pass attempt (or start with one, for that matter) was a turnover.

Second half drives:

First (TD) first downs: incomplete, incomplete, 4 yard completion, 2 yard JH run, 3 yard HK run - probably can't give the 2 yard JH run too much credit here.

Second (TD) first downs: 2 yard completion, 8 yard HK run, 0 yard JH run, 6 yard Hosley run - the 6 yard Hosley run on first down from the 11 was certainly a big help

Third (FG) first downs: 37 yard completion, 5 yard HK run, 1 yard Hosley run - here we ran up the gut three straight times before kicking a FG; FG from 1st-and-goal on the 7 isn't a great success

Fourth first downs: 3 yard JH rush, fumble - oops

Fifth first downs: 19 yard completion, 10 yard completion, incomplete - the one you're referring to - of course,

Sixth (FG) first downs: 22 yard completion, incomplete, 2 yard HK rush, 4 yard Gordon rush (FG on this set of downs, probably would've been good without the first-down rush, and it would've been nice not to lose 17 seconds of clock there)

OT (TD): 5 yard HK rush, 1 yard HK rush - no RB 1st down rushes here either

None of the first down rushes were particular glorious either.

Quickly scanning the first half we had:
- 6 first down completion
- first down incompletion
- 6 first down RB rush
- 3 first down HK rush

Mostly ineffective here as well on the first down RB rushes.

(the final drive had an HK rush first down but I didn't count it as a 16 second clock drive...)

Second:
- 6 first down completion
- 4 first down incompletion
- 6 first down RB rush
- 4 first down HK rush

Lumping all the pass attempts together that's:
First half: 7 passes, 6 RB rushes, 3 HK rushes
Second half: 10 passes, 6 RB rushes, 4 HK rushes
OT: 2 HK rushes

So we shifted a bit towards the pass on first down in the second half, especially on the last couple of possessions where we needed a FG. Hard to criticize the drive with those 3 first down pass attempts given that it was right after a crucial first down fumble by an RB.

And it makes sense: RB rushes averaged fewer yard per play than the alternatives, and had a turnover, unlike the alternatives. Enough that you could probably argue we should've done it more, earlier (for instance, before that fumble...).
 

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I thought it did exactly as much work as necessary to respond to the specific hyperbolic all-caps claim I was replying to.
Well we didn't fully give up on RB runs, sure... but we should have!

(If you wanna be more specific, we should've given JH a break particularly, seemed to tweak something before the game and didn't have it.)
 

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Speaking of triple-option, lets get a short yardage package CPJ style with King under center and a fullback, and two slotbacks. King can keep and let the help fullback push him thru, hand off to fullback, or run to the edge and keep or pitch.
Geeze, I don 't know what I would do if CBK called in CPJ to tutor the O staff and himself on the intricacies of triple option football - which I think HK would be fabulous at. Add a few select plays into the repertoire and let it fly.
 

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Granted it was against GW, but Philo has less than 1/3 the attempts but almost half the passing yards. Might be some HK related stuff going on there.
 

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The bolded is basically the whole explanation.
It's part of the explanation, for sure, but I don't think it's accurate to say it 100% attributed to that. He had 265 yards passing against NCSU last season and he holds the GHSA state record for passing. Give him some props here.
 

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He can throw the ball no doubt. It’s more yards than a healthy King had against VMI last year too, on a slightly higher yards per attempt. We also won’t feature qb runs with him to the same extent so he’ll get more attempts too.

Would love to see us get King hitting consistently again in the passing game - he was a more complete QB before missing time last year.
 

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He can throw the ball no doubt. It’s more yards than a healthy King had against VMI last year too, on a slightly higher yards per attempt. We also won’t feature qb runs with him to the same extent so he’ll get more attempts too.

Would love to see us get King hitting consistently again in the passing game - he was a more complete QB before missing time last year.
We don’t know how much the surgery affected his throwing motion… or his arm strength. Or how much the recall of all that damage still lives in the backroads of his memory.
 

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We don’t know how much the surgery affected his throwing motion… or his arm strength. Or how much the recall of all that damage still lives in the backroads of his memory.
What shoulder surgery and when? I missed that specifics .

He has been our stud rb. Wonder if he could do better with more open less critical runs .
 

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What shoulder surgery and when? I missed that specifics .

He has been our stud rb. Wonder if he could do better with more open less critical runs .
Last I heard he had a torn labrum last year and was going to have offseason surgery. However, he decided to treat it through rehab so he could be assured of playing this season. So my observation then changes from he’s a guy who has had shoulder surgery to he’s a guy who’s rehabbed a torn labrum. Maybe that is affecting his throwing motion or his shoulder flexibility.
 
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