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L41k18 said:
VoodooOk so how are non-Indy&Mia players still entering the portal?
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CFB VooDoo.
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This whole situation is very interesting for me. Some of you know I used to make a living as an actor - which means I have some insight into the world of actual NIL compensation.

Many years ago when the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) was formed, the actors who formed the union wanted 2 things: 1) to no longer be employees of the studios (instead, independent contractors, thus having control of their career choices), and 2) to be compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness over time (read: getting residual revenue payments for work they'd done in the past that was still generating revenue for the studio). They hammered out a standard contract that was eventually accepted by the studios (not without a lot of consternation, as you would expect). That contract has changed over time, but most of the basic tenets regarding NIL compensation still live on.

An interesting wrinkle comes with the SAG (now SAG-AFTRA) standard contract for commercials. Booking a national commercial as an actor is a big deal. Not only can it be very lucrative (you can easily make >$100K off of 1 national spot), but it also has some distinct contract and compensation considerations.

Basically, if you sign a standard SAG-AFTRA commercial contract with an advertiser, they pay you in 3 distinct ways: first they pay you for the session fee (the days' wages to shoot the commercial). Then they pay you usage fees (the aforementioned residuals). There are different pay scales for Class A network TV, cable, and streaming. The really interesting part to me here: lastly, after 13 weeks (and every 13 weeks thereafter), they have to pay you a holding fee. This fee allows the advertiser to retain the right to re-air your work, but it also compensates you for holding a conflict. Meaning: as long as they're paying you, you can't go and do a commercial for a direct or indirect competitor. Your name, image and likeness are bound to their product.

As an actor, you can't just say "hey, I want to buy out Southwest so I can go do a commercial for Delta." I mean, you can say that - but the agreement is very clear that you agreed to X compensation in order to not go to a competitor. Consideration has been exchanged. You're free to take other jobs, just not commercials with brands that directly compete.

This is why you don't see the same people in Coca-Cola ads and Pepsi ads. It's also why you see situations like the former Verizon spokesperson suddenly appearing in a Sprint commercial. After years of paying his holding fees, Verizon decided they would stop. Which freed him to go on and do a commercial for their largest competitor.

BACK TO CFB:

To me, the most mindblowing thing about this Mensah situation with Duke is that their grounds for keeping him could more than anything be tied to actual Name, Image and Likeness. As in, "Your image is tied to us. We gave you consideration (a holding fee of some sort), and you agreed to not use your name, image, or likeness to support a competitor."

There is obviously a precedent for this arrangement, going as far back as the first SAG commercial contract.

After a few years of "NIL" being an out-in-the-open way to simply pay players to play, Duke could hold him to the actual terms of an NIL agreement, since athlete NIL (on the playing field regularly) is a lot different than actor NIL (on recorded footage). By going somewhere else, he by default can't execute the terms of using his NIL to promote Duke.

Anyway, it's going to be very interesting to see how this works out. Especially with rumors that the Big 10 has given its members a solid contract to protect them from this sort of thing. I do ultimately think collective bargaining is needed, if nothing else to have both sides agree on what is a "fair" NIL contract, so that both sides feel protected.

We'll get there - but until we do, my popcorn bowl is ready.
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This is a wonderful post - thank you for taking the time to write that out.
 

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These elite athletes have had so many rules bent for them fir so long, they think that contracts with terms and conditions must not apply to them. Their word obviously means nothing to a lot of them.
I want to know how Beck can be eligible to play college football and not attend classes.
 
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gtrower said:
At some point HS recruits need to take notice of the teams that are becoming 1 year rental factories.
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I understand your point but it’s becoming clear to me that a large percentage of athletes only want the best deal they can get, one year at a time. Being in a stable program, like Tech or Indiana, is attractive to a certain percentage of players but maybe not even the majority of high value recruits.
 
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Northeast Stinger said:
I understand your point but it’s becoming clear to me that a large percentage of athletes only want the best deal they can get, one year at a time. Being in a stable program, like Tech or Indiana, is attractive to a certain percentage of players but maybe not even the majority of high value recruits.
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This. If I was a big name high schooler, playing a game that could end with one wrong step at any practice- I would be picking one the highest bidders.

I think there’s some obvious considerations that might keep me from strictly choosing the highest. Like if Miami offered 800k, and GT 700k but GT’s position coach is notorious for sending kids to the NFL… I think that’s playing a big role right now. Also there are still kids speaking out about culture and play style. You can tell there’s many vulture agents and parents jockying for the most money, but also catalysts for the best fit for playing time and development in many cases.

There’s also something to be said about how much a school ‘values’ you, and you hear kids mentioning that a lot. For example- many Tech portal and highschool commits have talked about how they loved Tech’s “honesty”. I think that means we’re telling them exactly where we think they belong on the field and overall what their future with the program will look like. To me, that kind of assurance or even just clarity on how they plan to develop me on the bench is seen as valuable.

If you’ve paid close attention to other programs, I’d say there’s been an increase in locker room disputes regarding expectations vs reality. Damari Alston at Auburn, Castalanos at BC. Players are likely hearing from tons of schools they are day 1 starters and then getting benched as depth. There may be in uptick in valuing coach/program trust. These players talk to eachother in a huge network.
 
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gtrower said:
Guys yall have got to quit falling for this Twitter troll account. Once on this board was bad enough but twice for this same exact post is getting embarrassing.
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OK - I will try to do better, but there is even a (fake) yahoo link that looks very real after a google search

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gtrower said:
Guys yall have got to quit falling for this Twitter troll account. Once on this board was bad enough but twice for this same exact post is getting embarrassing.
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I used to think Tech grads were smart enough to avoid being conned, but lately I wonder how many here have shared bank info to Nigerian "prince".


Btw if anyone is interested, I am a real Nigerian prince looking to share my fortune with the right person. Just need a few details...
 
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Not sure where to put this. Just moar SEC dominance(sic). I can see why they put Tenn and Mizzou(?) in the preseason top 25 for next year?

 
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yeti92 said:
I used to think Tech grads were smart enough to avoid being conned, but lately I wonder how many here have shared bank info to Nigerian "prince".


Btw if anyone is interested, I am a real Nigerian prince looking to share my fortune with the right person. Just need a few details...
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Send me your account information and I'll see if I can get it hooked up with mine.
 
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Northeast Stinger said:
I understand your point but it’s becoming clear to me that a large percentage of athletes only want the best deal they can get, one year at a time. Being in a stable program, like Tech or Indiana, is attractive to a certain percentage of players but maybe not even the majority of high value recruits.
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Indiana is absolutely a 1 year rental factory.
 
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Northeast Stinger said:
Fascinating and well written.

The no-compete clause is especially tantalizing.
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Thanks. Did I mention I opted not to take the full scholarship to Tech in favor of a lucrative English degree? :LOL:

Regardless, not sure how much any of that is actually relevant. But I could foresee a similar model happening with CFB players.

Also - for many years there were SAG-AFTRA franchised agents, who agreed to a certain set of standards, and would only use a standard SAG-approved representation contract. That program went away in the early 2000s, but may have come back by now. I definitely see a need for something like that moving forward, based on the behavior we've seen lately from multiple "agents."
 
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